Comments on: What you need to know about the shoulder. http://topvelocity.net/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-shoulder/ Everything Pitching Velocity! Velocity Mechanics, Velocity Drills, Velocity Training and much more. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:51:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Don Ervin http://topvelocity.net/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-shoulder/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Don Ervin Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:54:27 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1078#comment-466 Wow, Only 12yrs. old and having those types of unnecessary body throwing injury's. Like Brent advised you, attend his velocity camp and if you cannot do so check his Top Velocity.net, and do your very best to find an experienced and knowledgeable "Pitching Teacher" in your area who can and will "Teach" him on a regular basis, some one who has been taught how to teach, not just coach who can set him up with at least "2" constructive bull pens per. week who can teach your son, after he gets fully recovered how to use his whol;e body instead of his arm only, Most people are under the impression that the throwing motion and power "velocity" are generated through the upper body and arm only "NOT SO," just like hitting and/or throwing every thing is energetically generated from the ground up with "NEGATIVE" "REVERSE" "ROTATIONAL" TO POSITIVE" "FORWARD" ROTATIONAL" movements ,Especially in pitching one urgently must learn to use their whole body from the ground up with proper body and throwing mechanics, along with a nice long body length stride directly down the line towards the intended target, I have a beautiful 3rd base side "view" of Matt Morris former Cardinals pitcher I could make a color copy of and send you if you would be interested in viewing it, and the beautiful picturesque display of proper pitching form, His push off, stride length to landing is not quite as exaggerated as TIm Lincecum of the Giants is but it is as good as it gets unless one wants to get out of the box and get that extra maximum push and stride length that Tim Lincecum has, Those who want to expand their push and stride length need to do so in very small "6" increments to get accustomed to the the feel of the adjustments being made with the full foot and extra longer foot contact push off the rubber and added stride length.I observe many games at all levels and age groups including Pro- Ball which I had the opportunity to play and there are very few exoerienced and knowledgeable "PITCHING" "TEACHERS" in the whole baseball world,This includes major league baseball also,"YES" there are many who have played minor and major league ball for several seasons but for the most part they are not experienced and knowledgeable teachers, they may be able to teach someone how to play on their level but certainly not on other lower levels, the very reason that there are only a hand full of people including on the major league level who can actually teach how to properly use the whole body during the throwing process, Any one doubting my comments "observe", "not just spectate," ball games of all levels and age groups including all minor and major league games you can, closely observe the pitchers and you will see throwing not pitching ,and the momentum and any power generated will be done so after the stride is slowly made into motion with the upper body and arm being the only source of momentum and forward explosive energy and be sure to notice the body never getting to the finish position which very few throwers are familiar with because they never get to the finish position and how the arm violently recoils back and all of the throwing power generated is "DISSIPATED" into the weaker muscles of the upper body instead of "DISSIPATING" into the stronger muscles of the lower body and allowing the arm to momentarily relax. I am appalled at the enormous number of youngsters from ages as low as 12yrs,old and up and including the major leaguer's who have unnecessary, chronic arm problems, have had arm surgeries or are waiting to have some type of surgery, My suggestion is do not put your youngsters physical being in jeopardy, find a way for them to learn how to throw and pitch by using their body's to execute their movements from the ground up to alleviate the abuse and tension that the unnatural highly explosive act of throwing a base ball creates, The sight of the arm in an animated throwing action of a fast ball is to me totally scary, The shoulder, fore arm and the elbow looks as if it is going to literally explode and fly out of their sockets, Hopefully you are having your son treated by someone who is highly experienced in treating and operating on baseball injuries. Did your therapist give the ok to play and throw? Did you get more than one check up and opinion? it sounds like he needs to let it rest so the treatment will not have any interference during the healing process, as you can tell I am very cautious about these types of injuries. I wish him a speedy and successful recovery, and much success in his baseball endeavors. Don Ervin kom_ervin@yahoo.com Wow,
Only 12yrs. old and having those types of unnecessary body throwing injury’s.
Like Brent advised you, attend his velocity camp and if you cannot do so check his Top Velocity.net, and do your very best to find an experienced and knowledgeable “Pitching Teacher” in your area who can and will “Teach” him on a regular basis, some one who has been taught how to teach, not just coach who can set him up with at least “2″ constructive bull pens per. week who can teach your son, after he gets fully recovered how to use his whol;e body instead of his arm only, Most people are under the impression that the throwing motion and power “velocity” are generated through the upper body and arm only “NOT SO,” just like hitting and/or throwing every thing is energetically generated from the ground up with “NEGATIVE” “REVERSE” “ROTATIONAL” TO POSITIVE” “FORWARD” ROTATIONAL” movements ,Especially in pitching one urgently must learn to use their whole body from the ground up with proper body and throwing mechanics, along with a nice long body length stride directly down the line towards the intended target, I have a beautiful 3rd base side “view” of Matt Morris former Cardinals pitcher I could make a color copy of and send you if you would be interested in viewing it, and the beautiful picturesque display of proper pitching form, His push off, stride length to landing is not quite as exaggerated as TIm Lincecum of the Giants is but it is as good as it gets unless one wants to get out of the box and get that extra maximum push and stride length that Tim Lincecum has, Those who want to expand their push and stride length need to do so in very small “6″ increments to get accustomed to the the feel of the adjustments being made with the full foot and extra longer foot contact push off the rubber and added stride length.I observe many games at all levels and age groups including Pro- Ball which I had the opportunity to play and there are very few exoerienced and knowledgeable “PITCHING” “TEACHERS” in the whole baseball world,This includes major league baseball also,”YES” there are many who have played minor and major league ball for several seasons but for the most part they are not experienced and knowledgeable teachers, they may be able to teach someone how to play on their level but certainly not on other lower levels, the very reason that there are only a hand full of people including on the major league level who can actually teach how to properly use the whole body during the throwing process, Any one doubting my comments “observe”, “not just spectate,” ball games of all levels and age groups including all minor and major league games you can, closely observe the pitchers and you will see throwing not pitching ,and the momentum and any power generated will be done so after the stride is slowly made into motion with the upper body and arm being the only source of momentum and forward explosive energy and be sure to notice the body never getting to the finish position which very few throwers are familiar with because they never get to the finish position and how the arm violently recoils back and all of the throwing power generated is “DISSIPATED” into the weaker muscles of the upper body instead of “DISSIPATING” into the stronger muscles of the lower body and allowing the arm to momentarily relax. I am appalled at the enormous number of youngsters from ages as low as 12yrs,old and up and including the major leaguer’s who have unnecessary, chronic arm problems, have had arm surgeries or are waiting to have some type of surgery, My suggestion is do not put your youngsters physical being in jeopardy, find a way for them to learn how to throw and pitch by using their body’s to execute their movements from the ground up to alleviate the abuse and tension that the unnatural highly explosive act of throwing a base ball creates, The sight of the arm in an animated throwing action of a fast ball is to me totally scary, The shoulder, fore arm and the elbow looks as if it is going to literally explode and fly out of their sockets, Hopefully you are having your son treated by someone who is highly experienced in treating and operating on baseball injuries.
Did your therapist give the ok to play and throw? Did you get more than one check up and opinion? it sounds like he needs to let it rest so the treatment will not have any interference during the healing process, as you can tell I am very cautious about these types of injuries.
I wish him a speedy and successful recovery, and much success in his baseball endeavors.
Don Ervin
kom_ervin@yahoo.com

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://topvelocity.net/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-shoulder/comment-page-1/#comment-450 Brent Pourciau Thu, 21 May 2009 02:13:29 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1078#comment-450 It sounds like he has an impingement of his supraspinatus. This is the top rotator cuff muscle that runs underneath the clavicle. If it is torn or is frayed then this will cause pain from the shoulder down the arm to just above the elbow. If he cannot turn his thumb down and lift his arm straight out in front of his body to shoulder height then he has some damage. The neck pain and his shoulder pain is caused by wiping the arm around the body with a lot of force during his throws. It sounds like he has or had a good arm and he has abused it. I hate to hear this happening to such a young ball player. Yes he can pitch again but he must learn how to use the total body to throw the ball instead of only his arm. If he continues to just wipe his arm, his career will be very short. He needs to learn how to get the body, especially the core and legs more involved when pitching/throwing and this will take the stress off of the neck and rotator cuff. I have a Velocity Camp in July that he should come too. This way he can learn firsthand what it takes to learn total body mechanics. You can get more info on the camp here www.GuerillaBaseball.com/camps . If you cannot make it then I would suggest reading more articles on www.TopVelocity.net . I wish you two the best! It sounds like he has an impingement of his supraspinatus. This is the top rotator cuff muscle that runs underneath the clavicle. If it is torn or is frayed then this will cause pain from the shoulder down the arm to just above the elbow. If he cannot turn his thumb down and lift his arm straight out in front of his body to shoulder height then he has some damage. The neck pain and his shoulder pain is caused by wiping the arm around the body with a lot of force during his throws. It sounds like he has or had a good arm and he has abused it. I hate to hear this happening to such a young ball player.

Yes he can pitch again but he must learn how to use the total body to throw the ball instead of only his arm. If he continues to just wipe his arm, his career will be very short. He needs to learn how to get the body, especially the core and legs more involved when pitching/throwing and this will take the stress off of the neck and rotator cuff. I have a Velocity Camp in July that he should come too. This way he can learn firsthand what it takes to learn total body mechanics. You can get more info on the camp here http://www.GuerillaBaseball.com/camps . If you cannot make it then I would suggest reading more articles on http://www.TopVelocity.net .

I wish you two the best!

]]> By: Ann http://topvelocity.net/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-shoulder/comment-page-1/#comment-449 Ann Wed, 20 May 2009 04:09:27 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1078#comment-449 My son who is seeing a physical therapist, has pain in the upper inside of his arm from shoulder to half way down his upper arm. He has been pitching since he was 9 or 10 and is 12 this year. He has nerve issues in his neck, SICK scapula and possible some small tears in the rotator cuff, although the "tears" have not been looked at with MRI only the thought of the therapist. Will my son be able to continue pitching? And by the way he is playing now, not pitching, but he is hitting and playing 1st base. Any insight? My son who is seeing a physical therapist, has pain in the upper inside of his arm from shoulder to half way down his upper arm. He has been pitching since he was 9 or 10 and is 12 this year. He has nerve issues in his neck, SICK scapula and possible some small tears in the rotator cuff, although the “tears” have not been looked at with MRI only the thought of the therapist. Will my son be able to continue pitching? And by the way he is playing now, not pitching, but he is hitting and playing 1st base. Any insight?

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