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		<title>Pulling Down is Slowing Down</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan Jaeger&#8217;s Long Toss program uses what he calls the &#8220;Pull down phase.&#8221; This is because after throwing the ball 300 feet in his &#8220;Air it out&#8221; program he wants you to pull down your delivery so you do not continue to launch the ball high as you move closer to 60 feet. The problem [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lincecum.jpg" rel="shadowbox[post-1770];player=img;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1782" style="float:right;margin:5px;" title="lincecum" src="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lincecum.jpg" alt="lincecum" width="256" height="256" /></a>Alan Jaeger&#8217;s Long Toss program uses what he calls the &#8220;Pull down phase.&#8221; This is because after throwing the ball 300 feet in his &#8220;Air it out&#8221; program he wants you to pull down your delivery so you do not continue to launch the ball high as you move closer to 60 feet. The problem is this goes against the science of velocity.</p>
<p>Pitching velocity is the product of momentum and torque. You can read countless articles on this site about <a href="http://topvelocity.net/what-is-momentum-pitching/">Momentum</a> and <a href="http://topvelocity.net/tim-lincecum-teaches-top-velocity/">Torque</a>. Pulling the ball down during release prevents early internal rotation which is a key component to velocity as stated in the American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) case study called <a href="http://topvelocity.net/comparison-of-high-velocity-and-low-velocity-pitch-deliveries/">Comparison of High Velocity and Low Velocity Pitch Deliveries</a>.<span id="more-1770"></span></p>
<p>Dr. Andrews case study states:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;.the maximum shoulder horizontal adduction occurred later and <strong>maximum shoulder internal rotation occurred earlier at greater ball velocities</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice that Tim Lincecum, who&#8217;s fastball averages in the high nineties, proves this component in the case study true in his picture above. He is releasing the ball above his shoulder and head. He couldn&#8217;t release the ball any earlier than in his picture. There is no pull down phase in this high velocity delivery.  Early internal rotation occurred  because he has met ever component of greater ball velocity described in the ASMI case study. He has &#8220;less lead knee flexion velocity after front foot contact&#8221; which we find just before this image, &#8220;greater lead knee extension velocity at the time of ball release,&#8221; &#8220;Maximum shoulder external rotation&#8221; which also occurred before this picture and finally &#8220;forward trunk tilt at ball release.&#8221; Tim Lincecum is the epitome of this ASMI case study, especially early internal rotation.</p>
<p><a href="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bad-example1.gif" rel="shadowbox[post-1770];player=img;"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1783" style="float:left;margin:5px;" title="bad-example" src="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bad-example1-264x300.gif" alt="bad-example" width="242" height="275" /></a>To give an example of a pitcher who is fighting against his potential velocity by pulling the ball down to release would be this picture here. This happens because of a flaw in timing. When the front foot lands and momentum is slowing down then the arm must take over. The pitcher must pull the ball down to create more external rotation that was lost when his momentum slowed down. Momentum must accelerate all the way to ball release to support top velocity. Just like a plane taking off, momentum must not stop or velocity will suffer. In the case of pitching the arm suffers as well because this adds more wear and tear on the arm. Notice that both of these pitchers are almost in the exact same position but the pitcher here is releasing the ball in front of his face and his elbow has not extended. This tells me that his momentum has stopped and his arm is doing the majority of the work. This also means he created poor hip to shoulder <a href="http://topvelocity.net/tim-lincecum-teaches-top-velocity/">separation</a> at front foot strike which caused his arm to throw the ball too early in the delivery. The most important perspective of the ASMI <a href="../comparison-of-high-velocity-and-low-velocity-pitch-deliveries/">Comparison of High Velocity and Low Velocity Pitch Deliveries</a> is the timing of each component. If any of the four velocity components stated in the case study initiate too early then the proceeding component will not reach its maximum potential.</p>
<p>When you find yourself losing momentum and pulling the ball down to release you will notice that your ball pulls down as well as it reaches the plate but when you get early internal rotation you will notice that your ball jumps out of your hand and looks like it is rising as it reaches the plate. This is an increase in velocity. To prevent launching the ball high you must make sure you are achieving maximum forward trunk tilt at ball release.</p>
<p>When working to improve on these four components of velocity you must practice them in reverse not continuing until each component is mastered. This is the only way to develop top velocity and to break the conventional wisdom that says these mechanics can not be taught.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Alan Jaeger&#8217;s Long Toss program may sound good on video or his website but scientifically it fails. Next time you find yourself trying to pull the ball down at release to create velocity check your momentum because your velocity is slowing down.<br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brent Pourciau</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan Jaeger is upset that TopVelocity.net has not done the proper research on long tossing. He said in an email to me, &#8220;If you are going to be in the public domain, I would urge you to do the proper research.&#8221; I am not sure if you have visited his website but I do not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/beckett.jpg" rel="shadowbox[post-1632];player=img;"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1633" style="float:right;margin:5px;" title="beckett" src="http://topvelocity.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/beckett-300x140.jpg" alt="beckett" width="300" height="140" /></a>Alan Jaeger is upset that TopVelocity.net has not done the proper research on long tossing. He said in an email to me, &#8220;If you are going to be in the public domain, I would urge you to do the proper research.&#8221; I am not sure if you have visited his website but I do not see him practicing what he preaches. There is a lot more research posted on TopVelocity.net than <a href="http://www.jaegersports.com" target="_blank">www.jaegersports.com</a> but I will still give him what he has requested in his email, &#8220;Proper Research.&#8221;<span id="more-1632"></span></p>
<p>I have stated on this website that long toss is not as effective in developing velocity because it forces the thrower to use more of the arm to throw the ball a long distance like 300 feet. I also said that if you want to increase velocity you must develop throwing mechanics that use more big muscle groups, like the core and legs, rather than the small muscle groups, like the shoulders and arm. Once you have learned these &#8220;Total Body Mechanics,&#8221; like I talk about constantly on this site and have listed in detail in the <a href="http://topvelocity.net/ace-pitcher-handbook/">Ace Pitcher Handbook</a>, you will not only begin to throw harder but you will take more stress off of the arm which will allow you to throw longer.</p>
<h2>Now for the research Mr. Jaeger!</h2>
<p>I will use Dr. James Andrews and his studies on proper throwing mechanics at the American Sports Medicine Institute to support my claims above. You can read his case studies here <a href="http://www.asmi.org/asmiweb/research/baseball.htm" target="_blank">http://www.asmi.org/asmiweb/research/baseball.htm</a>.</p>
<p>A quote from Dr. Andrews&#8217; case study on <strong><em><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">&#8220;Interval Throwing Program&#8221;</span></em></strong> states:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Throwing from flat ground produced a shorter stride and less shoulder external rotation at foot contact, more elbow varus torque during arm cocking, a more upright trunk at ball release&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>A quote from,  Dr. Andrews&#8217; case study on <strong><em><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">&#8220;Shoulder     Abduction and Lateral Trunk Tilt Influence the Peak Elbow Varus Torque     During Pitching&#8221;</span></em></strong> states:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The combination of 10 degrees of lateral trunk tilt and 100 degrees of shoulder abduction produced the minimum peak varus torque among all conditions in the study. Thus, the results of this simulation study clearly show that shoulder abduction angle and lateral trunk tilt have an affect on elbow varus torque and thus can be helpful in reducing stressful forces on the shoulder and elbow during pitching.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>A quote from Dr. Andrews&#8217; case study on <strong><em><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">&#8220;Flat-Ground Throwing&#8221;</span></em></strong> states:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Elbow varus torque was greatest during 180 ft&#8217; throwing.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You can read Dr. Andrews&#8217; case study on <strong><em><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #ff0000; font-size: medium;">&#8220;Biomechanics of Elbow Injuries During Throwing&#8221;</span></em></strong> to learn about Elbow Varus Torque here <a href="http://www.asmi.org/asmiweb/research/usedarticles/elbow_injuries.htm">http://www.asmi.org/asmiweb/research/usedarticles/elbow_injuries.htm</a></p>
<p>Based on these three studies performed by the most respective Doctor in the game of baseball, we learn that throwing long toss at only 180 ft, which was the farthest distance used in the study, causes more elbow varus torque because of the shorter stride and the lack of forward trunk tilt than pitching on a mound. Could you imagine the results of these case studies if they used 300 ft instead of 180 ft?</p>
<p>Mr. Jaeger, I am sure you have an answer for all of this and your Long Toss Program addresses these issues but there is a better way then using this &#8220;Old School&#8221; approach to &#8220;Arm Development.&#8221; I believe that better way is learning &#8220;Total body mechanics&#8221; by using normal throwing distances because we do not throw with just our arms. We also never throw the ball 300 feet in the game. If you want to develop more velocity and decrease injury, you must also work hard to develop fast twitch muscle fibers in the weight room using total body lifts, like the Olympic lifts, along with plyometric training and speed/agility work.</p>
<p><em><strong>I warn all pitchers that perform a long toss program, that pushes the distances to 300 feet, you better make sure you have &#8220;total body mechanics&#8221; because if not, based on Dr. Andrews&#8217; case studies above, you are putting extreme amounts of pressure on your elbow which could ruin your arm and end your career.</strong></em></p>
<p><em>I am not the only pitching coach against long toss programs. Dick Mill&#8217;s has a similar opinion in this video.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Andrews is Mr. Fixit when it comes to the elite athlete. He has poineered the sports medicine industry. He has worked on the likes of Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, Drew Brees, Roger Clemens, Bo Jackson, and pretty much any other famous athlete you can think of who has been injured. This page is an [...]]]></description>
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<p>Dr. Andrews is Mr. Fixit when it comes to the elite athlete. He has poineered the sports medicine industry. He has worked on the likes of Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, Drew Brees, Roger Clemens, Bo Jackson, and pretty much any other famous athlete you can think of who has been injured. This page is an honor to his amazing impact on sports medicine and a reference to what he has to offer the athlete today. Read his BIO to learn more about him and watch the videos to pick up some helpful tips.<span id="more-312"></span></p>
<h2><span class="feature14">James R. Andrews, M.D.</span> BIO</h2>
<p>Doctor James R. Andrews, orthopaedic surgeon, was one of the founding members of the Alabama Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Center. After the dissolution of Alabama Sports Medicine &amp; Orthopaedic Center he founded the Andrews Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Center in August 2007. Dr. Andrews was also one of the founders of American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) a non-profit institute dedicated to injury prevention, education and research for sports related problems. The foundation continues to be one of the worldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s leaders in this field. Dr. Andrews continues to serve as Chairman and Medical Director of ASMI.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews is also a founding partner and Medical Director of the Andrews Institute located in Gulf Breeze, Florida.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews is internationally known and recognized throughout the world for his scientific and clinic research contributions in knee, shoulder and elbow injuries, and his skill as an orthopaedic surgeon.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews came to Birmingham in 1986 to help form the Alabama Sports Medicine and Orthopaedic Center. He has been the mentor for more than 200 orthopaedic/sports medicine fellows and more than 30 primary care sports medicine fellows who have trained under him through the American Sports Medicine Institute Sports Medicine Fellowship Program. Involved in education and research in sports medicine and orthopaedic surgery, he has made major presentations on every continent, and has authored numerous scientific articles and books.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews attended from Louisiana State University in 1963, where he was Southeastern Conference indoor and outdoor pole vault champion. He completed LSU School of Medicine in 1967, and completed his orthopaedic residency at Tulane Medical School in 1972. He had surgical fellowships in sports medicine at the University of Virginia Medical School in 1972 with Doctor Frank McCue, III, and at the University of Lyon, Lyon, France in 1972 with the late professor Albert Trillat, M.D., who was known as the Father of European Knee Surgery.</p>
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<p>At present, Doctor Andrews serves as Co-Medical Director for Intercollegiate Sports at Auburn University. He is Senior Orthopaedic Consultant for Intercollegiate Athletics at the University of Alabama. He is the orthopaedic consultant for the athletic teams of Troy University, University of West Alabama, Tuskegee University and Grambling University.</p>
<p>He is the Senior Orthopaedic Consultant for the Washington Redskins Professional Football team.</p>
<p>He is the Medical Director for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays Professional Baseball Team. He is the team physician for the Birmingham Barons Double A Professional Baseball Team, an affiliate of the Chicago White Sox.</p>
<p>He is Co-Medical Director of the Ladies Professional Golf Association.</p>
<p>He has been a member of the Sports Medicine Committee of the United States Olympic Committee having served during the last two previous quadrenniums.</p>
<p>He has served on the NCAA Competitive Safeguards in Medical Aspects of Sports Committee.</p>
<p>He currently serves on the Medical and Safety Advisory Committee of USA Baseball.</p>
<p>He serves on the Board of Directors of the following companies: FastHealth Corporation, and Robins Morton Construction Company. He is a member of Troy UniversityÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Board of Trustees.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews has been inducted into the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame and was named recipient of the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame 1992 Distinguished Sportsman Award. In 1996, Doctor Andrews was inducted into the LSU Alumni Hall of Distinction. Recently he was awarded the Alumni of the Year for his alma mater LSU.</p>
<p>Doctor Andrews and his wife, Jenelle have six children, Andy, Amy, Archie, Ashley, Amber, Abby and three grandchildren.</p>
<p>Yacht racing is one of Doctor AndrewsÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ keen interests. His 50-foot racing sloop, Abracadabra III, won the 1990 International 50-Foot Yacht Association World Cup. He has also won many other yacht racing off shore regattas. His offshore racing sloop Abracadabra was recently named one of the best 100 vessels of the twentieth century by Sail Magazine. He served as President and Chairman of the Board of Aloha Racing Foundation, an AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Cup XXX Syndicate based in Honolulu, Hawaii, which challenged for the 2000 AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Cup contested in Auckland, New Zealand. His other hobbies include golf and hunting.</p>
<h2>More on Dr. Andrews</h2>
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<p><strong>Dr. Andrews on the throwing shoulder</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Dr. Andrews on the throwing injuries</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Dr. Andrews on the athlete</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Dr. Andrews on Roger Clemens<br />
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<p><strong>Dr. Andrews on the pro athlete<br />
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