Comments on: Overload to Underload – Right Concept, Wrong Approach http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/ Everything Pitching Velocity! Velocity Mechanics, Velocity Drills, Velocity Training and much more. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:51:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rick Ragan http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-412 Rick Ragan Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:29:16 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-412 Hey coach Brent, I was just checking out your website. I think it has some pretty interesting thing. Thanks, Rick Ragan Hey coach Brent, I was just checking out your website. I think it has some pretty interesting thing.
Thanks,
Rick Ragan

]]> By: gshort http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-399 gshort Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:06:01 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-399 Brent, Hype is placed on this program by misinformed coaches who have the audacity to use this as a sole method of gaining velocity. It is used as one component of my program. Maybe in 10 years we'll have more data and be able to definitively prove either positively or negatively what the program holds. As for now, I have quantified results from injury-free pitchers that utilized the program, and I believe the o/u played at least a small part of their successes. Keep up the good work on your website. Brent,

Hype is placed on this program by misinformed coaches who have the audacity to use this as a sole method of gaining velocity. It is used as one component of my program. Maybe in 10 years we’ll have more data and be able to definitively prove either positively or negatively what the program holds. As for now, I have quantified results from injury-free pitchers that utilized the program, and I believe the o/u played at least a small part of their successes. Keep up the good work on your website.

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-398 Brent Pourciau Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:27:45 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-398 Your comment sounds too much like a guarantee on a diet pill. “If you take our diet pills everyday, while eating a balanced diet and exercising 4-5 times a week for at least an hour each time, you will loss 5-10 pounds in a month!” You are rationalizing a program that has more hype than positive results. I agree with everything you say you do along with the u/o throwing program. I just believe the u/o throwing program will cause more harm than good. Your comment sounds too much like a guarantee on a diet pill.

“If you take our diet pills everyday, while eating a balanced diet and exercising 4-5 times a week for at least an hour each time, you will loss 5-10 pounds in a month!”

You are rationalizing a program that has more hype than positive results. I agree with everything you say you do along with the u/o throwing program. I just believe the u/o throwing program will cause more harm than good.

]]> By: gshort http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-395 gshort Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:36:25 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-395 On the topic of the NPA o/u throwing protocol, I do incorporate these teaching methodologies in accordance to a strict adherence to proper throwing mechanics, appropriate age levels, and lastly in conjunction with a functional strength workout for the core, legs, and decelerating muscle groups. Our Velocity Development Camp runs a length of 7-8 weeks long, and has seen no less than an average of 4.2 mph increase in velocity. What has been more impressive is that our students are retaining their top velocities beginning the following season. It is not a magic bullet however. A marriage of all of the above mentioned components with proper nutrition and hydration practices will allow pitchers the greatest chance at reaching their genetic ceilings. On the topic of the NPA o/u throwing protocol, I do incorporate these teaching methodologies in accordance to a strict adherence to proper throwing mechanics, appropriate age levels, and lastly in conjunction with a functional strength workout for the core, legs, and decelerating muscle groups. Our Velocity Development Camp runs a length of 7-8 weeks long, and has seen no less than an average of 4.2 mph increase in velocity. What has been more impressive is that our students are retaining their top velocities beginning the following season. It is not a magic bullet however. A marriage of all of the above mentioned components with proper nutrition and hydration practices will allow pitchers the greatest chance at reaching their genetic ceilings.

]]> By: admin http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-390 admin Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:47:50 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-390 Seth, Thanks for the response to my article. I posted your email with my response on the forums so others can learn from this discussion. http://discusspitching.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9&p=11&sid=cf7fe072ce80c5db22e0d8f87627f77e#p11 Seth,

Thanks for the response to my article. I posted your email with my response on the forums so others can learn from this discussion.

http://discusspitching.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9&p=11&sid=cf7fe072ce80c5db22e0d8f87627f77e#p11

]]> By: Seth http://topvelocity.net/overload-to-underload-right-concept-wrong-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-389 Seth Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:53:08 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1152#comment-389 I respect your opinions but it seems that is strictly what this article is - an opinion. I applaud your energy and attitude about helping others in this misinformed baseball world, but please show us what research has led you to your conclusions. The weighted ball program you show in the picture is indeed a terrible program. You are only supossed to throw 20% of the orignal weight of a baseball - less or more. Basically meaning a 20% of a 5oz. ball is 1 oz. Consequently only work with a 4 oz ball and a 6oz balls during weight trainig. VDP (velocity development program) has an excellent SAFE weighted ball program. Google it. Anything more than 6oz and less than 4 oz you are putting major stress on your shoulder capsule and can lead to serious injury (see: the author of this article). "The underloading with the lighter ball gave me the illusion that I was throwing harder but it really is only an illusion. Just like the illusions of throwing harder when you move from throwing 300 feet to 60 feet." Really? That is not why underloaded balls are used. Underloaded balls are used to train the tiny fast twitch muscles in your arm. Strengthening them does not directly make you throw harder. Instead, by strengthening your fast twitch micro-muscles your arm trusts itself to be thrown harder. Your brain will only accelerate your arm as fast as it knows it can decellerate it. AKA Your brain will only allow your arm to go as fast as it knows it can slow it down after you let go of the ball. I've enjoyed your articles including long distance running, poor posture and scap loading. But please, before you advise uninformed kids to eliminate very beneficial weighted ball training (IF DONE WITH PROPER MECHANICS) please do research, talk to people. And read about the NPA (National pitching association), backed by Tom House a doctor with 40 years in baseball and has taught thousands of kids and hall of famers (Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, etc etc). Let me know what you think... I respect your opinions but it seems that is strictly what this article is – an opinion. I applaud your energy and attitude about helping others in this misinformed baseball world, but please show us what research has led you to your conclusions.

The weighted ball program you show in the picture is indeed a terrible program. You are only supossed to throw 20% of the orignal weight of a baseball – less or more. Basically meaning a 20% of a 5oz. ball is 1 oz. Consequently only work with a 4 oz ball and a 6oz balls during weight trainig. VDP (velocity development program) has an excellent SAFE weighted ball program. Google it.

Anything more than 6oz and less than 4 oz you are putting major stress on your shoulder capsule and can lead to serious injury (see: the author of this article).

“The underloading with the lighter ball gave me the illusion that I was throwing harder but it really is only an illusion. Just like the illusions of throwing harder when you move from throwing 300 feet to 60 feet.”

Really? That is not why underloaded balls are used. Underloaded balls are used to train the tiny fast twitch muscles in your arm. Strengthening them does not directly make you throw harder. Instead, by strengthening your fast twitch micro-muscles your arm trusts itself to be thrown harder. Your brain will only accelerate your arm as fast as it knows it can decellerate it. AKA Your brain will only allow your arm to go as fast as it knows it can slow it down after you let go of the ball.

I’ve enjoyed your articles including long distance running, poor posture and scap loading. But please, before you advise uninformed kids to eliminate very beneficial weighted ball training (IF DONE WITH PROPER MECHANICS) please do research, talk to people. And read about the NPA (National pitching association), backed by Tom House a doctor with 40 years in baseball and has taught thousands of kids and hall of famers (Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, etc etc).

Let me know what you think…

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